Originally by: Lord XSiV

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Originally by: Garia666

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CCP made some calculations to gain more PROFFIT.

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So good for them. Shows that they have some good business acumen.

As for the rest of the complainers in the thread it is a good thing that the loss of the non-existant revenue stream you represent if you did actually go through with your threats to quit will be replaced at exact the same rate as expired accounts. Yet another smart business decision - replace your dead weight portions of your customer base with better quality longer term clients.

But chances are the theory that most whiners are always bluffing when they pull out the 'quit' card will unfortunately come true.

It's also a good thing that CCP isn't taking the CSM seriously; however this 'issue' will at least give them something to keep them entertained for a while. Then again with only an 11% voter turnout you can't actually take them seriously as representative of the community....

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Originally by: Lord XSiV

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Originally by: Sabrina Treadehugger

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Originally by: Lord XSiV

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Originally by: Garia666

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CCP made some calculations to gain more PROFFIT.

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So good for them. Shows that they have some good business acumen.

As for the rest of the complainers in the thread it is a good thing that the loss of the non-existant revenue stream you represent if you did actually go through with your threats to quit will be replaced at exact the same rate as expired accounts. Yet another smart business decision - replace your dead weight portions of your customer base with better quality longer term clients.

But chances are the theory that most whiners are always bluffing when they pull out the 'quit' card will unfortunately come true.

It's also a good thing that CCP isn't taking the CSM seriously; however this 'issue' will at least give them something to keep them entertained for a while. Then again with only an 11% voter turnout you can't actually take them seriously as representative of the community....

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wow must be nice being a ccp fangirl and playing solo

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You sound a little bitter, would you like a lollipop?

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Originally by: Lord XSiV

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Originally by: Sabrina Treadehugger

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i can still avoid paying in euros through PaybyCash

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So you buy your lollipops in dollars?

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Originally by: Furb Killer

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Some day you will get that eve doesnt revolve arround you.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Edited by: Tippia on 23/05/2008 11:30:59
Good thing my cost for playing won't increaseà

edit: àand even if it did, it would still be worth it.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Sabrina Treadehugger

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what about the people you play with you're ok with them leaving over stupid measures ?

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Well, they're not leaving either, so no worries there.

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Originally by: Kaian Voskhod

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eve is not so cheap everywhere

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Eve, should have the same price everywhere and THEN include the local VAT in the bill.

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Originally by: Mystri

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Why are people throwing the figure of 30%-38% increase in price?

Maths 101:

$14.95 x 2 = $29.90 --> $34.95 / $29.90 = 1.1702 (17%)
$34.99 / 2 = $17.495 --> $17.495 / $14.95 = 1.1702 (17%)

$14.95 x 17% (1.170234) = $17.495 x 2 = $34.99

Note in my 'economic reasons' in this thread, that the USD-ISK value has also decreased by 17%. Coincidence?

CCP could start charging USD price of $17.50 for monthly subs, but they won't. Plus the fact that people with an IQ lower than their shoe size would start moaning that they are paying $2.50 more than Europeans. Europeans already pay $23.53 (Ç14.95 x $1.5744) per month.

$2.50 per month. What's the minimum wage is the US? Varies by state it seems. Let's be conservative and use the Federal amount of $5.85. So roughly an extra half hour's wage then...

[sarcasm]
Hey wait a minute, let's balance this thread out!

I'm a European, why am i subsidising the US subscribers? Jack up the US price to $23.50 per month! Yeah, screw them! CCP aren't running a charity, it's a business!
[/sarcasm]

This thread has gone on longer than it should. It's not Wrangler or the Devs you need to argue with, it's the accountant(s). They are running the show.

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Originally by: Kaian Voskhod

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If the product that CCP produces is so poor and not worth your money,why has this thread produced 20 pages of protest?

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This is simple for many of us.

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We accept to play for 0.45$/day
We refuse to play for 0.58$/day
So many of us warn CCP that they will;
- cancel their account
- merge alts in one account

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We don't like that a company hide their goal and speak to us as if we were jackass. The announce say "we reduce costs". They always avoid to say "for people buying 90d GTC, the overall price is growing around +34%".

3
The extra cash income don't seems to be used for:
- reducing lag
- solving isk sellers
- enhancing game balance

Instead, we have unwanted add-on like:
- ambulation
- factionnal warfare
- some crazy decisions (wtf, changing the skin of EW frigs ?)

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Originally by: Inarr Beck

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remember that all kinds of stuffs are going up in price a lot (yes this includes electricity), regardless even of the dollar decline.

then remember that CCP needs to pay its bills too.

then you may chose from several options as to whom or what to curse for this.

Not the message you wanted to hear but the best that can be done under current market circumstances I'm afraid.

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Originally by: Tek'a Rain

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Edited by: Tek''a Rain on 25/05/2008 21:24:58

Originally by: Mystri

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They are effectively forcing people in the United States to use credit cards/other payment means. That's one hell of a gamble to play with your customers, never mind the GTC resellers.

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I know its different in the UK/around the world, but I know here in the States it is nearly Impossible to Avoid having a "credit card". In quotes of course because the easiest card to obtain is a Visa or Mastercard "branded" ATM card. Simply, it is an ATM card that is also a credit card, though there is no line of credit in most cases as it comes right out of the connected account.

This means that, with a few shreds of exceptions, Anyone with a checking or savings account, anyone who has money in a bank, can pay out of it, rarely a hassle. The only groups I can see having trouble would be people with no money at All (for whom Eve should not be a concern) and cash-only fugitives from justice who live in shacks in the woods.. also not a huge focus group for Eve.

This whole change seems like a (somewhat poorly handled) cinching up of a loophole combined with an attempt to streamline different products.

And a reminder to those folks who A) refuse to take the time/effort to understand this or B) are canceling their 40 million accounts.. Your stuff belongs in the hands of a caring person like me.. I am only a Contract away!


EDIT: And remember! Regular Subs are NOT GOING UP FOR AMERICANS/IN DOLLARS. This change is for Timecodes Only!

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Originally by: Tek'a Rain

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Edited by: Tek''a Rain on 25/05/2008 21:40:19

Originally by: Sabrina Treadehugger

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hey you're also in this cattegory can i have your stuff ?

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Your.. a little slow, is that it? Train Reading to level one, then come back and try again, wont you?

Or stop ****-posting and try to be coherent.

Change does not terribly effect people in US, as its dead easy to find a way to pay for Eve, no GTC needed.

Change does not Effect people in Europe/etc paying via Sub or buying Eur/e timecodes.

Change Does effect people who were cheating CCP and buying from the wrong location, and also effects people who buy their way ahead with GTC-Isk transfers. Nothing wrong with stopping cheaters and people who buy isk, is there?

Of course, I dont agree with the removal of most card types. Fixing the system is great, but taking away flexibility is never cool.

edit: UK changed to Europe/etc

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